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Do you question who Jesus is but believe in the Old Testament

Do you question who Jesus is but believe in the Old Testament?

People think Jesus was just a prophet and Muhammad was as well but Muhammad is a higher prophet. My question is, if Jesus was only a prophet then why was He spoken of throughout the entire Old Testament?

Why would the entire Old Testament point to a Savior only to have the Savior say their will be another? He didn’t. There is ONLY one way to Heaven and that is through Jesus Christ.

The beginning part is from the New Testament stating that the Old Testament points to Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is God the Son.

I hope this helps shed some light.

ALL the prophets wrote about Jesus the Messiah Trusting in the Messiah / the Son / the Lord

When Jesus was walking with Cleopas and Simon in Luke 24:13-35, the bible states in verse 25-27:

25″O fools, and slow of heart to believe ALL that the prophets have spoken.
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and ALL THE PROPHETS, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.”

John 5:46
for had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me

John 1:45
Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

Acts 10:43
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Below is what every single prophet in the bible wrote about the messiah / Christ Jesus:

->Moses
(Wrote between 1445 & 1440 BC)
Deu 18:15-19
15 The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
16 According to all that thou desiredst of the Lord thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
17 And the Lord said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
>(Acts 3:22 & Acts 7:37)
Acts 3:22
22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
Acts 7:37
37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.

->Exod 17:7
17 Thus saith the Lord, In this thou shalt know that I am the Lord: behold, I will smite with the rod that is in mine hand upon the waters which are in the river, and they shall be turned to blood.
>(1-Cor 10:4 / John 4:10)
1 Cor 10:4
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
John 4:10
10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

Num 20:1-13
(Rom 6:10 / Heb 9:28 / 1-Pet 3:18)

Exo 16:4
(John 6:31-35)

Joshua
(Wrote between 1405 & 1390 BC)
Josh 5:13-15

Samuel
(wrote between 1050 & 750 BC)
1-Sam 2:10 (Mat 28:18)
2-Sam 7:12-16 (Mat 1:1)
2-Sam 23:2-3 (1-Cor 10:4)

King David
(wrote between 1040 & 970 BC)
Psa 2 / Psa 2:12 / Psa 8:2
(see Mat 21:15-16)
Psa 8:6
Psa 16:8-11
Psa 49-50
Psa chap 22
Psa 34:20
Psa 38:10-22

King Solomon
(wrote between 970 & 922 BC)
Prov 8:22-36
Prov 30:4-6

Isaiah
(wrote between 755 & 722 BC)
Isa 6:1-10 (see John 12:38-41)
Isa 7:14
Isa 8:14-15
Isa 9:1-2
Isa 9:6-7
Isa 11:1-11
Isa 50:5-6
Isa 52:13-15
Isa Chap 53
Isa 61:1-3

Jeremiah
(wrote between 626 & 585 BC)
Jer 23:5-6
Jer 31:31-34
Jer 33:14-16

Ezekiel
(wrote between 593 & 571 BC )
Eze 17:22-24
Eze 34:23-24
Eze 36:25-27

Daniel
(wrote between 612 & 537 BC)
Dan 2:34-35
Dan 2:45
Dan 3:25
Dan 6:19-23
Dan 7:13-14
Dan 9:25-26
Dan 12:1-2

Hosea
(wrote between 792 & 722 BC )
Hos 1:7
Hos 3:5
Hos 11:1

Joel
(wrote between 835 & 586 BC ??? ) Joel 2:32
Joel 2:28-29
Joel2:31

Amos
(wrote between 792 & 722 BC )
Amos 8:9-10

Obadiah
(wrote between 843 & 585 BC ??? ) Oba chap 21
(See Heb 12:16-24 / Rev 4:1)

Jonah
(wrote between 792 & 612 BC )
Jonah 1:17
Jonah 2:6

Micah
(wrote between 752 & 701 BC)
Mic 5:1-2
Mic 4:3-4

Nahum
(wrote between 722 & 605 BC )
Nah 1:7

Habakkuk (wrote between 612 & 586 BC)
Hab 3:13

Zephaniah
(wrote between 640 & 586 BC )
Zeph 1:7-8
Zeph 2:3

Haggai
(wrote between 586 & 515 BC)
Hag 2:7-9

Zechariah
(wrote between 605 & 515 BC )
Zech 3:8
Zech 6:12-13
Zech 9:9
Zech 11:12-13
Zech 12:10
Zech 13:1
Zech 13::6-9

Malachi
(wrote between 536 & 420 BC )
Mal 3:1-6

John the Baptist
Isa 40:3-11

Babylonian Captivity

605 BC = Battle of Carchemish
597 or 587 BC = 1st Deportation
582 BC = 2nd Deportation
539 = Fall of Babylon to Cyrus

The return of the Jews to Jerusalem from Babylon took 3 stages:

1st = Zerubbabel: 538 BC = Rebuilding the Temple

2nd = Ezra the priest: 458 BC = Rebuilding the city walls

3rd = Nehemiah: 458-420 BC (444 BC) = Rebuilding the city walls

I am a Christian and I live to serve God!!!

I fight for souls to be saved!

Meaning of Life: Live today as if it is your last but live as if there is a tomorrow through Jesus Christ!!!

Does the of/from your brethren in Deuteronomy 18:15 only include Jews or could it also include the Arabs?

Concerning – The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear, (Deuteronomy 18:15), does -of/from your brethren only include Jews or could it also include the Arabs? Below are all the references to -of your brethren/brothers and -from your brethren/brothers in the Old Testament. NKJV There are the following Old Testament references to -of your brothers/brethren.

Genesis 42:19 – Joseph, as governor of Egypt, was speaking to his family (42:7) If ye be true men, let one of your brethren be bound in the house of your prison: go ye, carry corn for the famine of your houses: Repeated in Genesis 42:33.

Genesis 50:17 – Thus you shall say to Joseph: -I beg you, please forgive the trespass of your brothers and their sin; for they did evil to you. Now, please, forgive the trespass of the servants of the God of your father. And Joseph wept when they spoke to him. Genesis 50:7-16 shows that it was Joseph’s own family or brothers who were speaking after they had buried Jacob.

Leviticus 25:1-2, 25 – And the LORD spoke to Moses on Mount Sinai, saying, -Speak to the children of Israel, If one of your brethren becomes poor, and has sold some of his possession, and if his redeeming relative comes to redeem it, then he may redeem what his brother sold. This is speaking to Israelites which also applies in 25:35, 39 and 47.

Deuteronomy 15:7 – If there is among you a poor man of your brethren, within any of the gates in your land which the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart nor shut your hand from your poor brother, Ishmael’s children lived in Saudi Arabia. ‘Havilah: (2) A district in Arabia-Felix. It is uncertain whether the tribe gave its name to this region or derived its name from it, Genesis 25:17a-18 {- Ishmael : (They dwelt from Havilah as far as Shur, which is east of Egypt as you go toward Assyria.)} It is the opinion of Kalisch, however, that Havilah -in both instances designates the same country, extending at least from the Persian to the Arabian Gulf, and on account of its vast extent easily divided into two distinct parts. ’ (Easton’s Bible Dictionary). Esau’s children lived in the land of Edom (Gen 36:9 -And these are the generations of Esau the father of the Edomites in mount Seir: 36:21 -the children of Seir in the land of Edom.) The Deuteronomy 15:7 description is: -a poor man of your brethren, within any of the gates in your land and so -your brethren can only refer to the Israelites. The same applies to Deuteronomy 24:14.

Judges 14:3 -Then his father and mother said to him, -Is there no woman among the daughters of your brethren, or among all my people, that you must go and get a wife from the uncircumcised Philistines? And Samson said to his father, -Get her for me, for she pleases me well. -Of your brethren, or among all my people would mean one of two things. Either, and most likely, of your close relations in the clan or among the tribe of Dan, or, of the tribe of Dan or among all Israel.

Deuteronomy 24:14 -And Moses called all Israel, and said to them: (Deut 5:1) You shall not oppress a hired servant who is poor and needy, whether one of your brethren or one of the aliens who is in your land within your gates. This refers to the Israelites.

2Chonicles 35:3, 5 -Then he (Josiah v1) said to the Levites And stand in the holy place according to the divisions of the fathers’ houses of your brethren the lay people, and according to the division of the father’s house of the Levites. This therefore applies to one part of the Israelites.

When God wants us to realise that -of your brethren/brothers is not referring to Israelites He has said so in one reference: Deuteronomy 2:4 -And command the people, saying, -You [are about to] pass through the territory of your brethren, the descendants of Esau, who live in Seir; and they will be afraid of you. Therefore watch yourselves carefully.

From your brethren

2Chron 19:8-10 – Jehoshaphat appointed some of the Levites and priests, and some of the chief fathers of Israel, And he commanded them, saying, -Thus you shall act in the fear of the LORD, faithfully and with a loyal heart: -Whatever case comes to you from your brethren who dwell in their cities, whether of bloodshed or offenses against law or commandment, against statutes or ordinances, you shall warn them, lest they trespass against the LORD and wrath come upon you and your brethren. Do this, and you will not be guilty. So -from your brethren must refer to the Jews.

2Chronicles 28:5, 9, 11 -Then he (Ahaz reigning over Judah in Jerusalem 28:1) was also delivered into the hand of the king of Israel, who defeated him with a great slaughter. But a prophet of the LORD was there, whose name was Oded; and he went out before the army that came to Samaria, and said to them: -Now hear me, therefore, and return the captives, whom you have taken captive from your brethren, for the fierce wrath of the LORD is upon you. So this -from your brethren refers to the Israelites in Judah.

Therefore from the other uses in the Bible we conclude that -of/from your brethren/brothers shows that the prophet of Deuteronomy 18:15-18 must be a Jew.

Does The Death Of Jesus Contradict Ezekiel 18

Our Muslim friends are having a hard time accepting the sacrificial death of Christ, they always quote verses from the Bible which say NO ONE WILL DIE FOR THE SIN OF OTHER!
To answer this we have to clarify what kind of death is being discussed in the context. We have three kinds of death:
1). PHYSICAL DEATH is the separation of the body from the spirit and soul – James 2:26
2). SPIRITUAL DEATH:
When Adam and Eve sinned, God said they will SURELY die in the day that they eat of the fruit. But they did not die PHYSICALLY in fact Adam lived up to 930 years before dying – Gen 5:5. Obviously, God had a different meaning in mind than physical death. What God meant is Adam and Eve died SPIRITUALLY. The moment they disobeyed God their sin had separated them from God and they died spiritually!
3). SECOND DEATH OR HELLFIRE/lake of Fire:
The SECOND DEATH is a permanent separation from God. One where there is no return to life:
Revelation 20:11″15
The Great White Throne Judgment
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, …… 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 …….And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. THIS IS THE SECOND DEATH. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
Muslims are using Ezekiel 18:20-21 as evidence that Jesus did not die for our sins because the Scripture says that a person cannot BEAR the sins or INIQUITY of other persons.
Ezekiel 18:20-21
20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
21 “But if a wicked person turns away from all his sins that he has committed and keeps all my statutes and does what is just and right,he shall surely live; he shall not die.
Ezekiel 18:20-21 is about SPIRITUAL DEATH which is further punishable by second death if the person physically died without repentance. Ezekiel 18:20-21 means the person who sins shall die SPIRITUALLY. Your father or anybody else will NOT DIE SPIRITUALLY because of your sins. This does not contradict Jesus’ PHYSICAL DEATH, Jesus did not die spiritually, He was sinless. Verse 21 says that if a SPIRITUALLY DEAD PERSON REPENT(TURN AWAY) from all his sins he will live; that though he would die physically he won’t be punished with the second death (Hellfire).
However, we must understand that repentance and forgiveness were made possible only by the PHYSICAL death of Christ. Without the atoning death of Christ that covers the sins of mankind a person who sins cannot call on God and make petition for his sins. The death of Christ gives mankind opportunity to appeal to God for forgiveness when condition is met. The CONDITION is to BELIEVE in the Son (John 3:16). “Believe” here is comprehensive; the person must obey and do Christ’s commandments.
Hebrews 5:9 and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation FOR ALL WHO OBEY.

Drink Poison

Jesus said “It is written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.”

Same thing here … if you knowingly put God to the test by drinking deadly poison YOU WILL DEFINITELY DIE unless the Father supernaturally intervenes and saves you by his grace. It is deadly to test God like this.

That verse was meant for his true disciples who while busily entrenched in the precious work of the kingdom of God, and accidentally eat/drink something deadly given to them, they will not be harmed.

The first thing I notice is that it’s in the past tense. Those present at the ascension were given these powers. That would include the apostles. This event is followed by Pentecost, wherein at least the languages portion of the promise is fulfilled. There follows stories of deliverance from demons, miraculous healings, and so forth. Paul is bitten by an asp, to no ill effect. john was fed poison and he survived

But this is a specific group, the ones who followed Jesus while he was among us. They’ve passed on. The gifts have served their purpose, and faded away. Hence, past tense.

English spoken today is not the same as 400 years ago

Image how ignorant someone must be to believe that the English spoken today is the same as 400 years ago.

According to the Global Language Monitor, around 5,400 new English words are created every year; it’s only the 1,000 or so deemed to be in sufficiently widespread use that make it into print.

Which effectively makes English one of the most progressive languages we have today.

Do some research before embarrassing yourself next time

Erhman-refutes-Ehrman

http://crossexamined.org/is-the-new-testament-reliable-erhman-refutes-ehrman/

NC Chapel Hill Professor Bart Ehrman has made quite a name for himself as a critic of the New Testament documents.  The conclusions he draws in his popular best-selling book Misquoting Jesus cast doubt on whether we can accurately reconstruct the original New Testament documents. Ehrman appears to be at odds with most New Testament scholars– liberal and conservative– who have long agreed that more than 5,700 Greek manuscripts (many of which you can see here) and over 36,000 quotations from the early church fathers make reconstruction of the original quite certain.  In fact, there are relatively few places of uncertainty in the New Testament text and none of them affect any essential Christian doctrine.

Ehrman only appears to be at odds with this conclusion.  Once you read his academic works and the appendix of the paperback edition of Misquoting Jesus, you’ll get a different story

Bart Ehrman was mentored by Bruce Metzger of Princeton University who was the greatest manuscript scholar of the last century.  In 2005, Ehrman helped Metzger update and revise the classic work on the topic– Metzger’s  The Text of the New Testament.

What do Metzger and Ehrman conclude together in that revised work?  Melinda Penner of Stand to Reason writes,

Ehrman and Metzger state in that book that we can have a high degree of confidence that we can reconstruct the original text of the New Testament, the text that is in the Bibles we use, because of the abundance of textual evidence we have to compare.  The variations are largely minor and don’t obscure our ability to construct an accurate text.  The 4th edition of this work was published in 2005 – the same year Ehrman published Misquoting Jesus, which relies on the same body of information and offers no new or different evidence to state the opposite conclusion.

Here’s what Ehrman says in an interview found in the appendix of Misquoting Jesus (p. 252):

Bruce Metzger is one of the great scholars of modern times, and I dedicated the book to him because he was both my inspiration for going into textual criticism and the person who trained me in the field. I have nothing but respect and admiration for him. And even though we may disagree on important religious questions – he is a firmly committed Christian and I am not – we are in complete agreement on a number of very important historical and textual questions. If he and I were put in a room and asked to hammer out a consensus statement on what we think the original text of the New Testament probably looked like, there would be very few points of disagreement – maybe one or two dozen places out of many thousands.  The position I argue for in ‘Misquoting Jesus’ does not actually stand at odds with Prof. Metzger’s position that the essential Christian beliefs are not affected by textual variants in the manuscript tradition of the New Testament.

So why does Ehrman give one impression to the general public and the opposite to the academic world?  Could it be because he can get away with casting doubt on the New Testament to an uninformed public, but not to his academic peers? Does selling books have anything to do with it?  I don’t know.  I just find the contradiction here quite telling– the man who gets all the attention for casting doubt on the text of the Bible, upon further review, doesn’t really doubt it himself.

For those of you that would like a point by point refutation of Misquoting Jesus, click here for a paper by SES Professor Tom Howe

Eusebius

Eusebius has been described as follows: Jacob Burckhardt (19th century cultural historian) dismissed Eusebus as “the first thoroughly dishonest historian of antiquity”. He has been also described as ” a political theologian”. He favored doctoring his history in his own words to “be useful first to ourselves and afterwards to posterity”. Edward Gibbon (18th century historian-“The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire”) dismissed his testimony on the number of martyrs and impugned his honesty”. Most scholars, even today, are ignorant about Eusebius lying and forging for religious purposes.

Ezekiel 18

Ezekiel 18 is just saying that if someone lives wickedly they will die. If their son lives wickedly their son will die, but they won’t. If people turn and do what is right, they will live. That’s all its saying. To try to take this and apply it to the Doctrine of the Atonement is just really way far out there. If you want to understand the Atonement, try Isaiah 53 if you like, but mainly the New Testament Epistles, for in them Christ reveals through the Apostles the mystery which had been hidden until then, of how salvation comes to the Gentiles through faith in his atoning death on the cross.

John 3:16- For God so loved the world, that he gave us his only Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Ezra and Nehemiah

Ezra was written about 538-516 B.C where Nehemiah was written around 444-425 B.C Therefore, the dates of writing are different and the statistical differences can easily be accounted for by considering that during the difference of years, people died, families grew, etc.