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Debunking the Parallels between Jesus and Krishna

Ronald V. Huggins, B.F.A., Th.D.
Post date: September 11, 2014

Key Classical Indian Sources for the Stories of Krishna’s Life: Mahabharata (= M, c. 300 BC- c. 300 AD), Harivamsha (c. 450 AD), Vishnu Purana (= VP c. 400-500 AD), Bhagavata Purana (= BP, c. 950 AD).1 The most influential telling is the last mentioned, the BP.

Common False Claims: (1) Krishna was born of the virgin Devaki / Devaka /Yasoda (2) on December 25th and was (3) crucified (4) between two thieves (5) for our sins,2 (6) rose from the dead and ascended into heaven, and (7) and he was born/died c. 1200 BC.

The Real Story:

(1) Krishna wasthe 8th son ofVasudeva and Devaki. The name of their first son was Kirtiman.3 The BP credits the pregnancy to “mental transmission”4 through the mind of Vasudeva into the womb of Devaki. That detail is from a late source (c. 950 AD), does not really represent a virgin birth, since Devaki was not a virgin, and is not present in the earlier accounts of Krishna’s birth in the H (c. 450 AD) and VP (c. 400-500 AD). The names Devaka (used by Christopher Hitchens and the source he plagiarized5) and Yasoda (used by Kersey Graves6) are errors deriving from a basic ignorance of the story.

(2) The celebration of Krishna’s birthday is one of the most prominent festivals in India, which takes place in the late summer or early fall (Bhadra in the North of India, Shravana in the South).7 The idea that that his birthday was celebrated on December 25 derives from no other source than ignorant and/or dishonest English-speaking “Freethinkers” who falsely claimed that Shravana “answers to our December.”8

(3) Krishna was not crucified. He died when the hunter Jara shot him in the sole of his foot. In most stories it was said to be an accident9; in one story, Jara was actually a demon getting revenge for being killed by Krishna in a previous life.10 The reason Krishna died the way he did was that with the exception of the soles of his feet his body was invincible due to a boon granted him by the sage Durvāsas.11

(4) Crucified between two thieves? Nothing like that at all in the authentic Hindu sources.

(5) Krishna died not for our sins but in fulfillment of two curses made against him and his clan: (i) the curse of the widow Gandhari, for not stopping the battle in which her husband Dhritarashtra died,12 and (ii) the curse of the Brahmanas, for a stunt Krishna’s son, Samba, played on some holy men.13

(6) Krishna’s spirit does ascend, but his body remains on earth and is cremated.14

(7) The date 1200 BC as the time of Krishna’s birth/death is not correct.15 Traditionally Krishna’s death took place just around 3100 BC, marking the beginning of the Age of Kali.16
Crucified Krishna
Crucified Krishna

PICTURES FALSELY PUT FORWARD AS REPRESENTING KRISHNA CRUCIFIED KRISHNA

(1) The image to the left, often erroneously said to represent the crucified Krishna, is actually a bronze Irish crucifix figure known since the 19th century, of a sort that is extremely common not only in Ireland but also throughout Europe. Here is a similar one from France dated to the 13th century and currently in the Nelson-Atkins Museum in Kansas City, MO (right).17

Bronze French Krishna
Bronze French Krishna

Celtic Market Cross Illistration
Celtic Market Cross

(2) The picture to the left, though often claimed to represent Krishna crucified, is actually a drawing of the 12th century AD Celtic Market Cross at Tuam, Country Galway, Ireland, portraying Jesus crucified. To the right is an old photograph of it, with a detail revealing its proximity to the Ulster Bank.18 It still exists, but was moved in 1992 from the square to St. Mary’s Cathedral in the same city.19

Celtic Market Cross
Celtic Market Cross Photograph

1. I am following the dates given in Wendy Doniger, The Hindus: An Alternative History (New York: Penguin Press, 2009).

2. Kersey Graves, The World’s Sixteen Crucified Saviors (4th ed. rev. and enl.; Boston: Colby and Rich, 1876), 140.

3. BP 10.1.56-57, p. 13.

4. BP 10.2.17, 10.2.16-18,

5. Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything (New York, Boston: Twelve, 2007),23. Hitchens’s source is an atheist book published in the 1930s entitled Essays on Freethinking, by Chapman Cohen (1868-1954). Hitchens actually reprints the portion he plagiarized in the collection The Portable Atheist (2007).

6. Graves, Sixteen Crucified Saviors, 50. Graves simply gets the characters mixed up.

7. See, e.g., “Krishna Jayanti: Birthday of the God of Divine Love,” Hinduism Today (April, May, June 2010): 30; John Stratton Hawley, At Play with Krishna: Pilgrimage Dramas from Bridavan (with Shrivatsa Goswami; Dehli: Motilal Banarsidass, 1992 [orig. ed. Princeton University Press, 1981]): 62.

8. Graves, Sixteen Crucified Saviors, 69.

9. M 16:4 (Mausala-parvan, “Book of the Clubs”); VP 5:37, and in the BP 11.30.27-40.

10. Vettam Mani, Purāṇic Encyclopedia (Dehli: Motilal Banarsidass, 1975), 429.

11. M 13:159 (Anusasana Parva “Book of Instructions”), M 16:4 (Mausala-parvan, “Book of the Clubs”).

12. M 11:25 (Sitrī-parva “Book of the Women”).

13. M 16:3 (Mausala-parva, “Book of the Clubs”); VP, 5:37; BP 11.5.2-23 & 11.30.33.

14. M 1:2 (Adi-parva, “Book of the Beginning”); M 16:7(Mausala-parva, “Book of the Clubs”); VP 5.38; BP 11.30.2.

15. The claim appears, e.g., in Graves, Sixteen Crucified Saviors, 65. It was, however, at one time though to be correct: See, e.g., James Tod, “On the Religious Establishments of Méwar,” Transactions of the Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland 2.1 (1829): 299.

16. “Kali Yuga,” in Roshen Dalal, Hinduism: An Alphabetical Guide (New Delhi: Penguin Books India, 2010), 187.

17. For several other examples, see http://huntmuseum.com/collection.aspx and then select from the menus as follows: All Object Types: “Religious/Ritual Equipment,” All Materials: “Metal” Key word in Title: “Corpus,” Key word in Description: “Crucifix Figure.” Or if you would prefer to go directly to the crucifixes most similar to the one claimed as Krishna here, simply enter in the Registration Number for each as follows: CG064, CG 066, CG 068, HCM 040, HCM 046, HCM 047.

18. T. H. Mason’s photo reproduced from Arthur Kingsley Porter, The Crosses and Culture of Ireland (New Haven, CT: Yale University Press; London: Oxford University Press, 1931), pl. 194.

19. See further, Maggie McEnchroe Williams, “Constructing the Market Cross at Tuam: The Role of Cultural Patriotism in the Study of Irish High Crosses,” in From Ireland Coming: Irish Art from the Early Christian to the Late Gothic Period and Its European Context (ed. Colum Hourihane; Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 2001), 141-60.

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Byblios

It might seem strange that the word “Bible” is not in the Bible but the inference of the Bible is there when the words “Scripture,” “The Word of the Lord” or “Thus says the Lord” occur and that is over one thousand times. By this enormous amount of references to Scripture as the Word of God, we know that all Scripture is God-breathed (2 Tim3:16) and its source is from the Spirit of God (2 Pet 1:21). The English word “Bible” is from the Greek word “Byblos” and the Latin “biblia” and both mean “books.” These “books” are a collection of writings constituting the sacred text of Scripture. These books are collectively referred to as the Bible and include the Book of Genesis all the way to the
Book of Revelation. These books of the Bible are what God calls “the Word of God” or “Scripture” and include “Thus says the Lord.”

Bildad

Please PAY ATTENTION — who is talking in Job 25 — Bildad
25 Then Bildad the Shuhite replied:

2 “Dominion and awe belong to God;
he establishes order in the heights of heaven.
3 Can his forces be numbered?
On whom does his light not rise?
4 How then can a mortal be righteous before God?
How can one born of woman be pure?

PAY ATTENTION to what God says about Bildad
Job 42.7 After the Lord had said these things to Job, he said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “I am angry with you and your two friends, because you have not spoken the truth about me, as my servant Job has

Bildad who said a woman’s womb is unclean —- was in trouble with God — God said Bildad wasn’t speaking truth ——Job 42 . My servant Job will pray for you, and I will accept his prayer and not deal with you according to your folly. You have not spoken the truth about me, as my servant Job has.” 9 So Eliphaz the Temanite, Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite did what the Lord told them; and the Lord accepted Job’s prayer.

Job 25:4-6 these words were spoken by Bildad, not Job. God rebuked jobs friends for not speaking the truth his Job did, so what you hold up as evidence, God has already rebuked and called it a lie.

How much trouble is Muslims in with God —-
if God was going to judge Bildad for calling a woman’s womb unclean —- do muslims think God won’t judge them for repeating what Bildad said

Monogenes

The phrase “only begotten Son” occurs in John 3:16, which reads in the King James Version as, “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” The phrase “only begotten” translates the Greek word monogenes. This word is variously translated into English as “only,” “one and only,” and “only begotten.”

It’s this last phrase (“only begotten” used in the KJV, NASB and the NKJV) that causes problems. False teachers have latched onto this phrase to try to prove their false teaching that Jesus Christ isn’t God; i.e., that Jesus isn’t equal in essence to God as the Second Person of the Trinity. They see the word “begotten” and say that Jesus is a created being because only someone who had a beginning in time can be “begotten.” What this fails to note is that “begotten” is an English translation of a Greek word. As such, we have to look at the original meaning of the Greek word, not transfer English meanings into the text.

So what does monogenes mean? According to the Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (BAGD, 3rd Edition), monogenes has two primary definitions. The first definition is “pertaining to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship.” This is its meaning in Hebrews 11:17 when the writer refers to Isaac as Abraham’s “only begotten son” (KJV). Abraham had more than one son, but Isaac was the only son he had by Sarah and the only son of the covenant. Therefore, it is the uniqueness of Isaac among the other sons that allows for the use of monogenes in that context.

The second definition is “pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind.” This is the meaning that is implied in John 3:16 (see also John 1:14, 18; 3:18; 1 John 4:9). John was primarily concerned with demonstrating that Jesus is the Son of God (John 20:31), and he uses monogenes to highlight Jesus as uniquely God’s Son—sharing the same divine nature as God—as opposed to believers who are God’s sons and daughters by adoption (Ephesians 1:5). Jesus is God’s “one and only” Son.

The bottom line is that terms such as “Father” and “Son,” descriptive of God and Jesus, are human terms that help us understand the relationship between the different Persons of the Trinity. If you can understand the relationship between a human father and a human son, then you can understand, in part, the relationship between the First and Second Persons of the Trinity. The analogy breaks down if you try to take it too far and teach, as some Christian cults (such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses), that Jesus was literally “begotten” as in “produced” or “created” by God the Father.

1 Timothy 6

1 Tim 6:15-16 is focusing on the resurrected and glorified Christ–the reasons for are listed below:

1. The immediate context deals with Christ. Paul writes about “the fine public declaration” that Christ made “before Pontius Pilate” (1 Tim 6:13 ). 1 Tim 6:14 also references the “manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

2. Additionally, the title “King of kings and Lord of lords” is applied to Jesus in the NT (Rev 17:14; 19:16). While similar titles are used of YHWH (Jehovah) in the OT/Tanakh, I’m not sure that the exact title, King of kings and Lord of lords is ever applied to the Father (YHWH).

3. 1 Tim 6:16 is evidently comparing the happy and only Potentate to those who rule as kings and lords. In contrast to these men, Christ is the “one alone having immortality.” However, God the Father is not the only immortal being, since Christ assumed immortality when resurrected by God; moreover, those who share in the first resurrection are also granted the gift of immortal life (Rom 6:9; 1 Cor 15:50-54; Heb 7:16).

4. According to Acts of the Apostles, Christ dwells in “unapproachable light” since his glorification. The apostle Paul beheld the glory of the resurrected Christ and he was blinded by the unique and awesome spectacle (Acts 26:12-13). Jesus assured his apostles that humans would behold him no more, but his disciples would, because he lives and they live through him (Jn 14:19). How appropriate the words of 1 Tim 6:16 describe the exalted Christ.

1 Corinthians 2.9

Perhaps it is the ripping of this verse out of context that has you confused
The problem is that 1 Corinthians 2:9 should never be quoted without including 1 Corinthians 2:10. This is the reason there is a hyphen at the end of 2:9

9 But, as it is written,’What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him – ‘

So what does verse 10 say?

10 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God.

Try and read in context next time.